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mypretti
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 01:37 AM
Degenerative Myelopathy  

Hi all, I'm sorry I haven't been on the Planet in awhile, we've been dealt a difficult hand that has taken up all our time. Long story short, since July, Jessy has slowly been losing her ability to know where her back right leg is and has increasingly been dragging it, knuckling the toes and having it give out or slide out beneath her. She's also lost a total of 7lbs in 8 weeks. With Bruce and Lori's support, we've seen a specialist, had a lot of tests run, and ruled out Degenerative Disk Disease (the vets treated it with prednizone which has had no effect on Jessy), Cancer and Encephalitis (all the blood tests and ex-rays came back normal).

We also had a fairly new test run for Degenerative Myelopathy, and the results came back positive (this test does not prove that she has it, only that she carries the gene). Both the specialist and our regular vet (whom we love) believe the DM is the problem, but there is no sure way to tell, or so I'm told.

We are 3 months into the symptoms of an incurable disease that generally ends in euthanasia after 6 to 12 months. We've begun Accupuncture treatments (on week 3) and will start Chiropractic on Monday (hoping it's a pinched nerve...but knowing it most likely is not). I didn't want to try the Chiropractic until we were sure it wasn't the Disk disease. We're also on a regimine of regular walks every other day, as long as she is able. Bruce is looking for a used dog wheel chair for Jessy, and we will begin supplements along with "Pain Free" which is an all natural pain medication (non-narcotic).

Ok, so now that I made my short long story long, I am asking for the Power of the Planet's prayers. Jessy is only 10yrs old, and although she's no longer a young pup, the ex-rays show she has no arthritis and has excellent hips (which I was so proud of for my rescue girl!). Your experience with DM and any advice is welcome. I've done research on the internet and learned that basically what's happening is that the spinal nerves are dying. How the hell is that even possible!?!? And why can't we stop it?!?!?!? I'm sorry, I'm just so mad and worried and scared I could hardly even bring myself to tell you about it. Writing it all down makes it even more real, and I so don't want it to be. I just want to make sure Jessy's quality of life is not compromised by anything I fail to do for her. So please...any help, prayers, words of wisdom you may have are welcome.

Thank you for always being here!

~Lee Anne

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2Gr8Tervs
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 01:50 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

I can offer no words of wisdom for you, but I can offer support and healing energies for you and Jessy.
((((hugs))))

Tanya

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sloplay
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 04:20 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

LeeAnne is one of my oldest friends on Planet Belgian. I ask that you join with the TakiShan Pack in sending positive thoughts, licks and wags for Jessy.

LeeAnne and Smokey, you're not alone. We are here for you all the way.

Bruce Freedman TakiShan Belgians www.takishanbelgians.com

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TaqaTerv
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 07:07 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Oh, LeeAnne, this just can't be happening! I've been sitting here staring at the keyboard for five minutes trying to think of something to say. Of course, prayers are coming! I know there are supplements that are purported to help nerves and even specifically DM. I will search them out - although I'm pretty sure you've already done so. Other than that - I'm afraid there's little I can tell you. DM does not always progress at a steady rate; this rapid deterioration may slow down for a while and give Jessie more time.

I'll put out feelers for a used wheelchair here, too. Jessie is about 45lbs and 22" tall?

The vet diagnosed Taqa with DM a couple of years before her death. (Although as you've found out, DM seems to be a diagnosis one can't really MAKE; one just rules out everything else.) While it didn't make sense to anyone, she actually seemed to improve on canine SynFLex although there were no clinical signs of arthritis or joint issues.

LeeAnne, I am very, very sorry. Know that you are being enveloped in hugs and prayers.

Storm & Taqa Animals aren't my whole life; they make my life whole.

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SLafuse
(veteran)
Fri Nov 06 '09 07:58 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Lee Ann,
I too offer good thoughts to you and Jessy. I hope you can enjoy the time you have together no matter how long or short.

I have no advice on DM. Its hard when our dogs or humans have diseases we cant cure.

Sharon-- De La Fusee

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JHoffman
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 08:25 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

I'm so sorry you, the family and Jessy have to go through this. It must be so painful to watch and live with.

Prayers coming from me and my gang to give you all strength and faith that this will have the outcome you want.

Lee Anne, hugs to you!

Judy & Kira

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Aleron
(just a pup)
Fri Nov 06 '09 08:41 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Sorry to hear about Jessy. Have you read anything by Dr. Clemmons? He has probably done more research than anyone else on the disease. He has a lot of dietary and supplement suggestions, as well as a couple medications he has found effective. Here is an article to check out:

http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/neuro/DM_Web/DMofGS.htm

Nikki & The Bad Black Dogs www.alerondogs.com

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lizabets
(enthusiast)
Fri Nov 06 '09 09:22 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Positive, healing thoughts and lots of tail wags being sent your way.

Beth & Bruin & Cheevers

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bonnie_b
(just a pup)
Fri Nov 06 '09 09:25 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Many good thoughts heading your way....

Unfortunately, I've had experience with degenerative myelopathy. Our first White GSD had it many years ago. We tried all kinds of food & vitamin supplements along with anythign else we could think of to no avail. The disease just kept progressing. The good news was that there wasn't any pain involved - just the continued loss of function...

I don't know how long Chopin would have lasted with "just" that but since he was also suffering from congestive heart failure, the aftereffects of several strokes, as well as the canine version of dementia, we let him go when he lost control of his bladder & bowels. He was still able to get up on his own, most of the time, but his quality of life was gone. Our promise to all of our pets is that as long as they are happy, we'll move Heaven & Earth to do whatever it takes to keep them that way. But when the time comes that we can't do any more, we'll help them go. When he looked at us and there wasn't any happiness left in his eyes, we knew what we had to do & we did it.

From what I understood then, DM in dogs is similar to Multpile Schlerosis in humans in that the damage is done to the myelin sheathing which surrounds the nerves. At that time, they weren't sure what caused it. I assume they can now test for a GENE that indicates that a dog is susceptible?? That's new since then - I wish we'd known about it so many years ago when we were breeding white GSD's. We'd have never bred Chopin if we'd known he was carrying such a gene....

I don't know if any progress has been made in treating this disease over the years or not. I know at that time, the vets at the University of Pennsylvania (I think that's the name of it - in Pittsburgh) were highly involved in research. You (or your vet) might try contacting them to see if there's anything new.

I'm saying prayers for you & Jessy. It's tough enough to watch your furbabies age without facing something like this as well...

I've got a friend who works with a company that manufacturers doggie wheel chairs. I'll ask her if she has any suggestions for finding a used one. (Sometimes she even loans out the one her dog used... but I think it's "out" already right now.) I'll add another post here if I find out anything.

(((((hugs))))

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Siouxzi
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 09:30 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Oh dear Lee Anne - you are definitely getting any and all possible prayers and healing wishes from me!! I know you'll do everything you can for your dear girl - I just hope you keep up your self-care as well - be strong in the knowledge that you have a group of friends that will support you through anything you have to go through. Hugs to you my old friend and a special gentle hug for our Jessy.

Susi & the Bergique Gang

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mypretti
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 09:31 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: Aleron] 

Hi. Yes, this is the website that we've been on most frequently. Jessy's vet suggested it.

Storm, Jessy's current weight is 62.5lbs and she's 25" I think. We're looking for a chair for hind end support.

And thank you everyone for your thoughts and good wishes.

~Lee Anne

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Karren
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 09:33 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Oh no! This can't be happening to Jessy (and you)! Sending hugs and prayers your way from my pack to yours. I hope you find a wheelchair for Jessy. Dogs are amazingly adaptive.


Karren

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maddog
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 09:53 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

You surely have my prayers for Jessy and all of her family. I know you will do what is best for her.
Hugs to all

Becky and the dawgs

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JHoffman
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 10:12 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: bonnie_b] 

I was thinking it sounds like MS in humans ........ interesting! I wonder if any of the drugs they use to treat human MS can be used in DM?

Judy & Kira

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Fataah
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 10:18 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Sending hugs & healing prayers.
Sorry I know nothing 'bout it, at all.
Each day a special gift,
Fataah

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SueWes
(enthusiast)
Fri Nov 06 '09 10:24 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

I've not dealt with that disease (and hope not to) but one of my Dobes had Wobbler Syndrome. It's most common in Dobes and Danes but other dogs can get it, and even horses. The onset was acute when he was 9 (which is quite old for a Dobe). At the time, it wasn't all that common (and no real internet), so there wasn't a ton of info on it. Cornell and Penn were both doing the most research; I took him to Penn. He did not appear to have any pain, but he was paralyzed. Initially they were going to operate, but when they got him walking with prednisone, they said that they would not operate (the recovery time could be short or 6 months or longer). I spoke with the folks at Cornell and they said the same. I bought a harness to assist him with standing up. Once he was up, he was able to get around OK although of course not as steadily. I tried to keep him warm and make his life as much fun as possible. During the warm weather, he improved, but was unable to use any legs about a year after diagnosis near Christmas. They would not operate at the time as he was older and not in as good shape as he was a year prior, so I was left without any options (it was still hard to make that decision). Since his problem was in the neck, it affected all 4 legs, although he had much more difficulty getting up with his hind legs. A cart would probably not have helped him much; the new ones look great. It appears that wobblers may be caused by several different issues in the neck, and those plus timing (progressive vs acute) may affect the type of treatment as well as outcome. You may want to rule Wobblers out -- since both involve the spinal cord, there is some similarity (proprioception and dragging hind toes).

Today, there are a few alternatives that may produce a better outcome. His sire (not mine) died around 12 and his dam was with me until 14-1/2, really old for a Dobe. This is a link re: wobblers being treated with gold bead implants that I find amazing: http://www.thedoberman.com/SylviaNeckWrap.shtml

I would go the route you're going with the Chiro and accupuncture -- just spoke with a friend with a Dachsie who is having a lot of success with it.

Here's some DM & cart info: http://www.eddieswheels.com/html/dm.html

Looks like they have some good links, too:
http://www.eddieswheels.com/html/links.html

I wish you the best.

Sue

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TaqaTerv
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 10:58 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Okay, I just checked out the site you've been looking at; it has all the information I could have sent you.

Once again, I just have to say "POOP!!!!!!!"

Storm & Taqa Animals aren't my whole life; they make my life whole.

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SueWes
(enthusiast)
Fri Nov 06 '09 11:02 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: TaqaTerv] 

Just noticed a "used carts" link on the website I posted above: http://www.eddieswheels.com/html/used_carts.php

Sue

This one might be good if still available:
Hannah’s cart – Female, ˝” dbl, swinging stirrups. A-24, B-18, C-8, D-16, E-9 ˝.
Contact Michelle and Dave at 413-772-6391. Asking $200.

Edited by SueWes (Fri Nov 06 '09 02:52 PM)

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TERVULOCITY
(veteran)
Fri Nov 06 '09 11:52 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: SueWes] 

I'm sure sorry to hear about Jessy's problem and can only offer support, good thoughts and prayers.


Denise

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Kaypee
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 12:01 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Leann, I am so sorry to read about your Jessy girl. That seems grossly unfair to be hitting you now. Jessy has been beating the odds through life, getting into resuce, finding a wonderful loving home, and living a healthy life. I'll be keeping you in my prayers that Jessy beats the odds one more time and the degeneration goes into remission.

Kristen and her Hooligans, Lana and Krishna

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Doc
(great helper)
Fri Nov 06 '09 04:19 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Hello LeeAnne & Smokey,
What a lousy break!!!
Your vet has no doubt already overwhelmed you with professional advice on dm so I won’t
duplicate what he/she has said. I will, however, share with you some rambling personal thoughts as our 7 year old, male German Shepherd [Bear] had dm.

First off, try with all your might not to convey your sadness or frustration. Jessy will be baffled, frightened and frustrated by what is happening to her legs. You can imagine how you’d feel if one day your legs weren’t functioning like they always had heretofore. Jessy will be watching how you and Smokey react so a cheerful countenance will do much to reassure and give emotional support which I believe is critical in keeping her healthy. Our Bear would have good days and bad days and some days he’d eat with gusto and other days, not so much. I would make certain that rambunctious dogs and kids didn’t get too close to him as I never wanted him knocked off his pins.

I would make Bear eat laying down. He wasn’t crazy about this in the beginning but soon adapted. I did this to lessen the burden on his muscles and spine. I also laid down indoor/outdoor carpet everywhere that Bear walked to provide traction. I can’t stress this enough…carpet everything!!! I gated off all stairs and put a sheet of plywood down until I could have Joe build a ramp for the patio door exit. Note, tile floors, linoleum, wood floors are all too slippery…COVER them with carpet.

As you know, we’re a family of swimmers. We love water and are great believers in hydrotherapy for humans and canines alike. So, if possible, I’d get Jessy involved in canine hydrotherapy to exercise all muscles of her body. Physical activity seems to slow down the progression of dm and as a consequence the dog is able to maintain balance and the ability to walk for a longer length of time.

I found that keeping Bear harnessed while getting exercised was a good idea because I could help support him and also regulate activity. We sometimes used a second leash or a belly band placed under his hips while exercising which would relieve some of the stress on his legs.

We have a sloping back yard which was good because Bear had to use different muscles while exercising. I always gave him 1 day off to just sit and chew a bone.

Often, Bear did lose control of his bowels. Just clean it up and don’t let your face register any disapproval because Jessy will already be so mortified. I’d just hug Bear and tell him that I loved him and that we all have accidents…no big deal.

Lastly, I tried very hard to prevent Bear from walking on his knuckles. When he’d get excited he’d begin to do that GS trot and I’d see him begin to knuckle so I would ask him to sit and rest and then massage his back paw that he’d begin to drag which reminded him to “walk on that paw”. He seemed to understand. The reasoning behind my admonition is that if Jessy learns to knuckle…then she has lost an important part of her battle –to keep the hind leg muscles working. Of course, at some point, there will be consistent knuckling and that unfortunately means the leg has given up before the action is completed and true exercise becomes impossible. I’d massage his hind legs and spine daily. He enjoyed it and I believe it helped immensely. One day, however, towards the end, you will notice that Jessy’s hind quarters don’t feel the same. You’ll find that they are hard, almost board-like.

Someone earlier mention that dm is like MS. That is so true. The disease itself causes the myelin sheaths around the neurons within the spinal cord to disintegrate and thus the communication between the spinal cord and brain gets disrupted. DM’s progression can advance fairly quickly (months) or, as in our Bear’s case, the progression was slow and we had him for a little over three years before paralysis occurred and we sent him to the Bridge.

Know that we’re always here to help.

Sending good, healing thoughts and prayers to all of you,
Sara

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Spiritus
(Know it all)
Fri Nov 06 '09 05:49 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Oh Lee Anne! I have no words of wisdom to offer you. I am so sorry. You and Jessy are in my prayers.

Charlotte

SPIRITUS www.spiritusdogs.ca

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HarrysMom
(needs a life)
Fri Nov 06 '09 10:32 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

dear Lee Ann!
since I saw your post this morning I struggle for words to express my heart aching for you and your girl.

The important thing to remember is that Jessy is still at your side and your partner! To some degree I echo what Sara posted: Come here when you need to vent, cry or feel dispirited, but do not let the anticipation of loosing your precious girl taint the time you have together.
Make it fun, make more great memories, live in the NOW and from your heart - Jessy will join you there and your life can be rich and full. You have been dealt a sour deal, but do not let this destroy the time you do have.

hugs and healing vibes coming your way from Portland

Lilith owned by Harry and Percie

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2BelgMum
(great helper)
Fri Nov 06 '09 11:33 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Sorry to hear Jessy is struggling, Lee Ann. I hope you are able to find a cart to help her out...

Petra Vince & Tira... and Mario (always with me in my heart)

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Doc
(great helper)
Sat Nov 07 '09 05:41 AM
Additional Thoughts Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: Doc] 

Lee Anne: Here’s an informative site regarding water therapy that I’d like you to view plus some additional websites: http://www.caninewatertherapy.com/dm.html

Dr Richard Vulliet of the University of California at Davis is studying the possibility of using bone marrow stem cells to slow or stop the progression of canine degenerative myelopathy. Earlier work with mice indicated that injection of stem cells into the affected area of the spinal cord may result in some healing. Dr Vulliet’s work is also partially funded by the AKC’s Canine Health Foundation.

Resources for your perusal:

Canine Health Foundation news
Videos regarding DM
http://www.akcchf.org/video/

Work by Dr. R M Clemmons on Diet and Supplements
http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/neuro/DM_Web/DmofGS.htm

Acupressure to Slow the Progress of Degenerative Myelopathy
http://dog-care.suite101.com/article.cfm/acupressure_for_your_dogs_health
http://www.expertvillage.com/video-series/7431_acupressure-for-arthritic-dogs.htm

More on the Genetic Test for DM
http://www.caninegeneticdiseases.net/DM/ancmntDM.htm
http://www.caninegeneticdiseases.net/CGD_main.htm
https://secure.offa.org/cart.html

More on Dr Vulliet’s Stem Cell Therapy Work
http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/whatsnew/article2.cfm?id=1763

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mannella
(great helper)
Sat Nov 07 '09 11:13 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Lee Anne, you and Jessy will be in my thoughts and here's hoping for a good outcome.

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mypretti
(Know it all)
Sat Nov 07 '09 05:10 PM
Additional Thoughts Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: Doc] 

Sara today we invested in 3 5x7 area rugs, which perfectly cover the tile in the kitchen and the wood floors in the living room (that weren't already covered). Also bought a smaller throw rug to cover the remaining open area in the kitchen where Jessy eats. All are secured with this stuff called "Great Grip" which you paint on the bottom of the rugs and it keeps them from sliding. We very much appreciate your and everyone elses links, as we are learning more about DM.

I sent an email to Dr Vulliet this morning to see if Jessy can get on the list of study participants. I told him I don't know if it's possible, but knowing we have a limited amount of time with her, we are willing to participate in trials to possibly help her, or others.

We're looking at the Diet and Supplements as well, having already been on Dr. R M Clemmons site.

Smokey and I can't tell you how much we appreciate the input, and all the words of support, both public and private. Positive attitude is difficult to maintain, but Jessy sees no tears or frustration, only happiness and love from us. I was telling Janet that Jake is so concerned and checks on Jessy often throughout the day, nuzzling her nose and kissing her face. The one thing she's not suffering from is a lack of LOVE!

~Lee Anne

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Doc
(great helper)
Sat Nov 07 '09 06:54 PM
Additional Thoughts Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Jessy certainly has a champion in her corner with you and Eric and Bruce & Lori.

Promise me you will read this website and check for nearby locations:
http://www.caninewatertherapy.com/dm.html

Sara

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mypretti
(Know it all)
Sat Nov 07 '09 08:35 PM
Additional Thoughts Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: Doc] 

No promise needed, I'm halfway through it now. And yes, I'll check for nearby locations. I almost bought her a pool 30 days ago, but the liner was not compatible with dog nails.

~Lee Anne

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annies
(needs a life)
Sat Nov 07 '09 10:53 PM
Additional Thoughts Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Thinking of you LeeAnne and Smokey and Jessy......you are in so many hearts.

Annie
Ben and Sam

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BrandonBluff
(just a pup)
Sun Nov 08 '09 04:00 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Lee Ann, as a matter of fact, I for one HAVE had experience with this disease. Enoch back in the 70s and into the 80s was dignosed with it at about 10 years when he began draging his back toes. I thought at first it was caused by a back injury sustained when he went over a 36" high jump at a obedience trail held on a conctete floor with no mats - the jump really hurt him. He was at about Jessie's age when he started dragging his back toes and being unable to get around as well as ususal. And that toe-nail scraping sound was dreadfully blood-chilling to listen to. The vet said "and I have to tell you, your dog will die of this; there is no cure'. . . . Well . . . he died 5 years later at 15 years - I had him PTS because of a painful cancer in his upper jaw bone. . . and he was STILL WALKING.

Enoch's brother also had DM and by the time Enoch was due to be helped out of his painful life, his brother could no longer walk at all so they departed together - both age 15 years. We had taken in his brother in in his later life; I think his early years were kinda lacking in good care.

His daughter got DM a little later in her life and I began to think it was heriditary. She lived to be able to walk though until 15 years when her brain completely mixed up her left back leg mixed up with her right back leg and nothing would work right so PTS.

It was right about that time when I became convenced that 'you are what you eat' and started researching what helps nerves to see what the dogs might be missing. I found that Vitamin E is essental for strong nerves and began giving all the dogs a 200 IU softgels of mixed tocopherols (as d-Alpha Tocopherol, d-Beta, d-Gamma and D-Delta Tocopherols) and did that for many years and have never had another dog dragging toes since. At that time I was feeding pretty much kibble dog food with just a lttle ground beef mixed in. The dog food hype was 'all you ad is love' - ha! That kibble they made back then was very lacking in any of the oils - Vit E being an oil - also not enough fatty acids.

I still get the Vit E caps for myself, however, from Puritan's Pride item No. 450 at www.puritan.com

Since Jimmy came into my life, I have switched to 'Hair of the Dog" which contains Vit E and I'm hoping in enough quantity - Jimmy thinks softgels are NOT food and its dificult to get Vit E caps into him. He finds them in a ball of ground beef until he won't even take a ball of ground beef from me at all. I'm surley trying to get him to eat non-food. I got tired of stuffing them down his throat.

Hair of the Dog is a fatty acid, antioxidant suppliment with Vit E. I also feed steamed eggs every day (very soft-boiled) and eggs are high in Vit E and very digestible for dogs.
I have Shasta still - she is just shy of 14 years and Enoch's great-grand daugher and no toe dragging.

I do believe that you could forstall the progress of the disease by adding Vit E. The omega fatty acids and antioxidents in Hair of the Dog would be helpful also. You might call DocsBlend and ask for advice. This product is made by a vet; when you phone you talk to his wife, Ruth and you could ask to talk to the Doc. Thier web site is www.DocsBlend.com Be sure to say Pat Porter sent you.

Anyway, back to the dogs that had DM, they all lived full lives - I consider 15 a full life. I di make sure they had non-skid rugs walk on. And while they couldn't run around full-tilt and couldn't climb stairs towards the end, they were in no real pain from the condition. I do believe that adding the Vit E helped to stall the progression for the daughter.

With regards to having 'the gene' for the condition, they are now saying that we all have genes for wellness and genes for sickness . . . the idea is to trigger the wellness not the disease.

They 'say' that nerves do not grow back, do not regenerate - BUT it seems that nerve impulses can be improved. A couple of years ago, I was at my holistic vet's office and a boxer was being carried in - the dog's back legs were stiff - they would not even stay under her. I thought -oh,dear - they must be going to put her to sleep. But everyone in the office was so happy, including the owner. The vet put a little clip on each of her back toes and turned on the power on a black box and the legs began to MOVE! Vet said she was turning up the power for a short time. Then the clips were taken off and the dog got up and WALKED out of the office! Something about 'electromagnetic"? . . . if you send a message back to the brain, it will start sending messages back out. My own physician got one of these boxes and calls it a 'magnetic cellular exerciser' - phanonenal! That reminds me, on that same theroy, TTouch can be very effective for DM.

I hope these experiences give you some encouragement. I have found that the dogs adjust to DM just like they can adjust to vision loss or anythng else - they adapt just like we do. We learn to count our blessing and so do dogs. All the best to you and Jessie. With warmth - Pat

Pat Porter, Brandon Bluff Belgians Boring, Oregon

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BrandonBluff
(just a pup)
Sun Nov 08 '09 06:09 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Fataah mentioned Addisons and I want to add to that thought.

Shasta, who descends from the line that had DM does not have DM but does have Addison.

I have found that her weakness in the rear, when it manifests, is more a total collapse while with DM there is back-toe-dragging and that toe-dragging is consistent - there is no coming and going, no waxing and waning, of this symptom. It is the toes dragging, where the tops of the back toe nails scrape on the floor that is definitive of this degenerative myelopathic condition.

Addisonian dog Shasta has never dragged her back toes.


Pat Porter, Brandon Bluff Belgians Boring, Oregon

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KathyB
(Know it all)
Sun Nov 08 '09 09:08 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Lee Anne, I'm so sorry to hear of this but have no knowledge to give that would help you and can only offer my prayers for your girl. But please know that you and she will be in my prayers tonight.

Kathy, Bogey & Chase

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Deeny_Flash
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Sun Nov 08 '09 09:47 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: mypretti] 

Oh Lee Anne, I'm so sorry to hear about Miss Jessy.

As one who as enjoyed the positive effects of prayers from friends here, I add mine w/lots of hugs and best wishes.

Keep the faith! Don't forget Flash was given a death sentence at the end of May and w/prayers and some adjustments to his diet and added supplements he hardly seems ill.

Hang in there, Miss Jessy!

Deeny

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CajunMals
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Sun Nov 08 '09 10:04 PM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: Deeny_Flash] 

If there is anything that I can do for you or the kaka girl, just let me know. Prayers coming for all.

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mypretti
(Know it all)
Mon Nov 09 '09 10:24 AM
Re: Degenerative Myelopathy new [re: BrandonBluff] 

Hi Pat, the Vitamin E is easy, as we already have a giant bottle. We'll add it to the current regimine. Jessy and Jake both already get Fish Oil in the morning, so the Vitamin E will be added at the evening meal. Your words are full of encouragement, and we so appreciate it...from everyone.

Kelly, kaka girl sends you a stinky slurp.

~Lee Anne

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